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Councillor Davod Harrison

Ipley Crossroads

Ipley Crossroads
Ipley Crossroads

On a road out of Marchwood, towards Beaulieu, you will pass through a crossroads at a place called Ipley.

It’s a strange crossroads because, although there is an unobstructed view on all approaches, with clear signage, it has been the scene of many accidents, including the death of a cyclist.

A Marchwood resident has sent me a suggestion as to how this junction could be re-designed to make it much safer. I reproduce it here, (with his permission).

I think this is an excellent idea and will very likely make it a lot safer in that vehicles, not on the main road, will be forced to come to a halt.

I have passed this onto the Highways Manager at Hampshire County Council, asking that they consider the idea.

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9 Comments

  1. Tony Jerrett on Sunday, January 22, 2017 at 11:05 pm

    I would agree with the proposal. I would suggest that the problem with the existting road may be because the road Applemore to Beaulieu Road Station is at an angle, if you just do a cursory glance,a vehicle on the Marchwood to Beaulieu road if it is in the blind spot of the eye will not register with the brain and the driver will see a clear road. That is why it is important to move the head when looking. Equally the vehicle with priority should be aware of a vehicle on the minor road and slow until they are certain the other driver has seen them. Another posibility is vision is being blocked by the windscreen pillar.

  2. james dick on Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 2:10 pm

    i see nothing has come of this yet. a cyclist friend of mine was recently killed there, any progress updates to report?

    • David Harrison on Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 7:52 pm

      Hi James,

      I understand that HCC Highway Engineers undertook a risk assessment and decided that no change was necessary. However, this was before the most recent fatal accident. I have contacted the Highways Manager asking if they will look at this again.

      • James Dick on Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 12:00 am

        Hi David,

        Thanks – I can see that something has now changed there! There are new stop signs in place for the east/west roads. This is a step in the right direction for this junction to prevent further accidents.

        However there’s a problem. I’ve been been there a couple of times since they were installed, and witnessed a number of cars not stopping, as they are required to do by law, and simply rolling through, as they were doing before the change.

        Therefore this change to the junction has had zero effect, and as locals get more used to it, will only get worse.

        There is no enforcement of these stop signs, camera or otherwise, so drivers simply ignore them. I can see there will be further accidents here in the near future.

        Looking forward to hearing back from you!

  3. Steve on Friday, February 24, 2017 at 1:05 am

    Hi David,

    your interest in this matter is greatly appreciated.

    I’ve cycled through Ipley crossroads on the major road many a time and been pulled out on several times causing near misses.

    I passed Dr Mark Brummell a few minutes after he was fatally injured in 2012 at Ipley Crossroads and remonstrated with the driver (Mark was being attended to off the road by other drivers, he had clearly been thrown a long way and the damage to the cars windscreen was severe). It was obvious then that another fatality would occur sooner or later, and there will be more unless this junction is redesigned.

    Staggering the cross roads is an excellent idea. The danger is not so much the angle of the crossing as drivers steaming across the major road without slowing down enough to properly register their surroundings. If you watch traffic there at rush hour you will regularly see impatient drivers coming from Applemore or Beaulieu Rd and shooting straight across at 25mph+ when they see gaps in the traffic. There is no way you can reliably register the presence of a cyclist near the junction while you are moving at speed and checking far down the road both ways for vehicles. The 10 signs and posts around this junction do not help clear up a confused picture for a fast moving motorist.

    As HCC have refused so far to stagger this junction (presumably on cost grounds) as a far far cheaper alternative I’d suggest a simple speed bump a cars length from each give way line would do an identical job of slowing drivers enough to give them time to check. This idea means drivers will only be able to approach (and cross) the major road at a few mph maximum. They will be no longer be doing safety checks while travelling at speed, will have more time to scan and even if they still did pull out without seeing a cyclist the injury would be far less serious due to the reduction in force from the car. These speed bumps being a cars length before the give way line rather than ON the line means cars crossing traffic flows on the major road will have no impediment when they decide to cross. This system would also mean cars will not need to wait in the major road to turn and would keep the major road free-flowing. In addition there would be only a marginal slowing to side road traffic crossing the junction – which is essential to make things safer.

    Please can you forward this alternative idea to HCC as a cheaper and potentially equally effective and less disruptive solution. I would also suggest a major and very important improvement in increasing cyclists visibility to drivers would be to removed some of the clutter of posts and signs around the cross roads.

    Regards, Steve,
    Totton.

  4. Ian on Friday, December 22, 2017 at 12:41 pm

    The alternative is introduce screening near the junction (like at some roundabouts) forcing the driver to approach with more caution because the cannot see the road is clear until they are at the junction, forcing them to slow down. Open junctions can invite cars to approach at a high speed because the believe they can see it is clear as they approach the junction. This avoids the need for speed bumps.

  5. Rob Jordan on Monday, January 8, 2018 at 7:08 pm

    Here’s a very interesting analysis of the factors that make Ipley Cross such a deadly junction.
    http://singletrackworld.com/2018/01/collision-course-why-this-type-of-road-junction-will-keep-killing-cyclists/

  6. Charles Kirby on Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 12:14 am

    Why would anyone stop at a stop sign, where you can see clearly in all directions? I live in America, and I’d sail through at 30 mph, since we have stop signs on almost every intersection, and compliance is zero here. It can’t be much better in England. Drivers simply reject the design and placement of such signs (very few have read about the Constant Bearing, Decreasing Range thing!).

    Personally, I don’t hit cyclists or pedestrians at any junction like this, since I move my head forwards to see around the door pillars. But I’m pretty much the only one you’ll find in America. Most drivers are too busy checking email and texting to bother with cyclists who are in danger. And this will not change (drivers hate cyclists in America). So the only intelligent thing to do, is to make the suggested roadway change, or to make it *after* the junction, where you close the road ahead (make it a T-junction), and then you’d have to turn left and immediately right to get into that road that went straight. Either way, this modification needs to be done NOW,

  7. Rosie Marshall on Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 2:29 pm

    I am impressed that the campaign to do something about Ipley Cross is still ongoing. I was devastated when Mark Brummell was killed. I wrote to the Coroner, berating him for not recommending the two-second ‘slow down and check’ rule at crossroads. The Coroner said that this kind of accident ‘will happen again’. I heard that the New Forest Verderers won’t allow the planting of gorse to obscure motorists’ vision at Ipley Cross, something about spoiling the natural beauty of the place? The natural beauty of my life was spoiled by Mark’s death, and I am still desperate for Ipley Cross to be made safe, ideally by the staggering of the junction suggested by David’s drawing. Does anyone think we could crowdfund this?

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